C++Talk.NET C++ language newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Visual Studio Help          C++Talk.NET Forum Index -> C++ language (comp.lang.c++) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Goonigooguu Guest Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:04 am    Post subject: Visual Studio Help Help! I am looking to download an evaluation version of Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 to practice some C++ programming or alternatively a similar program which is easy to use and learn basic C++ on. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? -- ..... and then he stuck a G.I. Joe up his ass! Back to top John Harrison Guest Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help "Goonigooguu" <hemal_patelREMOVE (AT) btconnect (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Help! I am looking to download an evaluation version of Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 to practice some C++ programming or alternatively a similar program which is easy to use and learn basic C++ on. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? There is no such thing. You could download a complete version of gcc (a much better C++ compiler than Visual Studio 6) for free from here www.cygwin.com. john Back to top slick_shoes Guest Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help "John Harrison" <john_andronicus (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Goonigooguu" <hemal_patelREMOVE (AT) btconnect (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bg4dmi$c6n$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com... Help! I am looking to download an evaluation version of Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 to practice some C++ programming or alternatively a similar program which is easy to use and learn basic C++ on. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? There is no such thing. You could download a complete version of gcc (a much better C++ compiler than Visual Studio 6) for free from here www.cygwin.com. john or get a free alternative,dev-c++, which uses the MingW compiler, a windows port of gcc for a more 'friendly' environment for windows. comes with windows headers too, allowing you to program win32 apps. dev-c++: http://www.bloodshed.net/dev/devcpp.html slick_shoes Back to top Greg P. Guest Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help Dev-C++ is definitely something you should check out. The fact that it comes with an IDE is great. GCC (MinGW) is an excellent compiler. Another possibility is Digital Mars which I currently use for Win32 (windows) stuff: http://www.digitalmars.com If you want another old-school compiler, like Digital Mars (which was Symantec), get the free Borland compiler. Note that it does not come with an IDE: http://www.borland.com IDE stands for Integrated Development Environment. It is also sometimes called an IDDE, when appropriate, for Integrated Development and Debugging Environment. Most good IDE's have syntax highlighting for special keywords and code completion. If you choose a compiler that has no IDE or don't care to use their's, you can always try SourceEdit: http://www.sourceedit.com Good luck! -- Regards, Greg P. Golden Rule of Open Source Programming: "Don't whine about something unless you plan to implement it yourself" Back to top Arquebus257WeaMag Guest Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help The free Borland 5.5 compilor is not a quick download, you have to follow these instuctions to install it: http://csjava.occ.cccd.edu/~gilberts/bcc55.html VIDE is a good IDE to use with the Borland 5.5 compiler. Its supposed to work just by typing in the dictory path c:Borlandbcc55 into the options>VIDE dialog, but I havent been able to get it to work. Back to top Arquebus257WeaMag Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help Victor- Im just starting out in programming and so still qualify as a computer dummy. So just because I didnt get it to work doesnt mean it doesnt work (the problem might be with my comp). Lets make clear that Borland C++ 5.5 is a very good compiler that follows ANSI standards closer than MS visual C++ (which doesnt even follow the current ANSI standard). I dont imagine you would want to use this compiler with the default command line interface, so getting an IDE and a debugger to work with this compiler is neccesary for normal use. Heres a link where you can download VIDE and theres a link at the bottom of the page that gives instructions on how to set it up with Borland C++ 5.5: http://www.objectcentral.com/vide.htm Quote: If you "haven't been able to get it to work", how can it be "a good IDE to use with the Borland 5.5. compiler"? In my book inability to make something to work with something else is a BAD THING(tm). Victor Back to top Alf P. Steinbach Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help On 29 Jul 2003 17:44:14 -0700, [email]naoscapitan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com[/email] (Arquebus257WeaMag) wrote: Quote: Lets make clear that Borland C++ 5.5 is a very good compiler that follows ANSI standards That is incorrect. Quote: closer than MS visual C++ (which doesnt even follow the current ANSI standard). That is incorrect. Quote: I dont imagine you would want to use this compiler with the default command line interface That is incorrect. Quote: so getting an IDE and a debugger to work with this compiler is neccesary for normal use. I suggest Dev++ IDE with MingW g++ compiler, both free. Back to top Greg P. Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help "Alf P. Steinbach" <alfps (AT) start (DOT) no> wrote Quote: Lets make clear that Borland C++ 5.5 is a very good compiler that follows ANSI standards That is incorrect. How so? I have used both MSVC and Borland (since early on) and noticed BCC holding truer to the ANSI standard than VC (which requires some code augmentation). From what I've heard, VC 7.1 is starting to fix this. Quote: I dont imagine you would want to use this compiler with the default command line interface That is incorrect. I agree with you on this. I enjoy using the console for compiling rather than hitting some build button. But I'm also old-school. Quote: so getting an IDE and a debugger to work with this compiler is neccesary for normal use. I suggest Dev++ IDE with MingW g++ compiler, both free. I suggest this as well. GCC, IMHO, is much better than either bcc or msvc. Either that or I am just too used to it. Back to top Victor Bazarov Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help "Goonigooguu" <hemal_patelREMOVE (AT) btconnect (DOT) com> wrote... Quote: Thanks all. Bloodsheds Dev-C++ works just fine but I do have other question. Usually is start my main() as follows without a return: void main() { //code body } This causes a problem with Dev-C++ and I have to use: int main() { //code body system("PAUSE") return 0; } Is this a problem or normal. Please explain in laymans terms. Thanks. In layman's terms, 'void main' is non-standard. If you want to write _correct_ C++, you should use 'int main'. "return 0;" is unnecessary from the main function; it will return 0 by default. Some compilers have a problem with that. It's up to you to decide to use those compilers and to put up with their non-compliance. Dev-C++ causes the executable window to close before you can see the results. That is why you need to use 'system("PAUSE")', which is not guaranteed to work on all systems anyway. It is up to you to use the tools that you've chosen in the way that helps you do your work. It has nothing to do with the language. Victor Back to top Goonigooguu Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help Thankx -- ..... and then he stuck a G.I. Joe up his ass! "Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov (AT) attAbi (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Goonigooguu" <hemal_patelREMOVE (AT) btconnect (DOT) com> wrote... Thanks all. Bloodsheds Dev-C++ works just fine but I do have other question. Usually is start my main() as follows without a return: void main() { //code body } This causes a problem with Dev-C++ and I have to use: int main() { //code body system("PAUSE") return 0; } Is this a problem or normal. Please explain in laymans terms. Thanks. In layman's terms, 'void main' is non-standard. If you want to write _correct_ C++, you should use 'int main'. "return 0;" is unnecessary from the main function; it will return 0 by default. Some compilers have a problem with that. It's up to you to decide to use those compilers and to put up with their non-compliance. Dev-C++ causes the executable window to close before you can see the results. That is why you need to use 'system("PAUSE")', which is not guaranteed to work on all systems anyway. It is up to you to use the tools that you've chosen in the way that helps you do your work. It has nothing to do with the language. Victor Back to top Thomas Matthews Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help Goonigooguu wrote: Quote: Thanks all. Bloodsheds Dev-C++ works just fine but I do have other question. Usually is start my main() as follows without a return: 1. Don't top-post. Replies are either interspersed or appended at the bottom. Quote: void main() { //code body } This causes a problem with Dev-C++ and I have to use: int main() { //code body system("PAUSE") return 0; } Is this a problem or normal. Please explain in laymans terms. Thanks. As stated many times in this newsgroup and news:comp.lang.c, the main() function returns an int. Always. No exception. Anything else provokes undefined behavior. As to what normal is, that is a misleading term. The correct form for a minimalist C++ program is: int main() { } According to the standard, the main() function is the only function that has a default return value. Constructors are special functions that don't return values. Better form for the main function is: int main(void) // or (int, char **) { return EXIT_SUCCESS; // or EXIT_FAILURE } Read the FAQ and welcome.txt via the links below. -- Thomas Matthews C++ newsgroup welcome message: http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq: http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html Other sites: http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book Back to top Alf P. Steinbach Guest Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Studio Help Thomas Matthews wrote: Quote: The correct form for a minimalist C++ program is: int main() { } According to the standard, the main() function is the only function that has a default return value. Constructors are special functions that don't return values. Better form for the main function is: int main(void) // or (int, char **) The practice of using a 'void' argument list is meaningful in C (do you know _why_ it is meaningful in C?). It's not meaningful in C++. It's not a good idea to use meaningless constructs, and so this form is absolutely not "better" in C++: it is inferior. Quote: { return EXIT_SUCCESS; // or EXIT_FAILURE } This can be a good idea. Note: EXIT_SUCCESS is not predefined in C++. It is defined by various header files. 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