C++Talk.NET C++ language newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  UI for C++ application?          C++Talk.NET Forum Index -> C++ Language (Moderated) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message John Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: UI for C++ application? Hi All, I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. Thanks John [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top shakahshakah@gmail.com Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? John wrote: Quote: Hi All, I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. Thanks John wxWindows is an option: http://www.wxwindows.org/ [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top diginux Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? I use wxwidgets alot, and it is very nice in my opinion, better than QT even. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Matthias Meixner Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? Hi John, John wrote: Quote: Hi All, I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. you may want to take a look at wxwidgets ([url]www.wxwidgets.org)[/url]. This also supports several platforms and is quite easy to use. One advantage may be that it does not require some preprocessing step as qt does (moc). - Matthias Meixner [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Alex Beluga Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? I think that Qt is very cool and awesome, but, especially if you're developing commercial soft it'd be good to try wxWindows and FoxToolkit. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top nickelplate Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? Qt is fine, but note that it is dual-licensed only on Mac, Unix and Linux. If you wish to use Qt in a Windows application, you will have to buy a commercial license. Look into wxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org) for a less restrictive alternative from a licensing standpoint. Also see : wxWidgets vs Qt. http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/wiki.pl?WxWidgets_Compared_To_Other_Toolkits [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top James Kanze Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? John wrote: Quote: I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. The other widespread one seems to be wxWidgets ([url]http://www.wxwidgets.org/)[/url]. Unlike Qt, it doesn't require a special preprocessor. -- James Kanze mailto: [email]james.kanze (AT) free (DOT) fr[/email] Conseils en informatique orientée objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung 9 pl. Pierre Sémard, 78210 St.-Cyr-l'École, France +33 (0)1 30 23 00 34 [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Mark Van Peteghem Guest Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? John wrote: Quote: Hi All, I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. There is also wxWidgets, which has the advantage of being free (QT is only free for open source applications under Linux, if I'm not mistaken - by free I mean as in no money). I use it and like it a lot. See <http://www.wxwidgets.org>. I've also heard good things about the Mozilla platform, with which you can develop applications with a mix of C++, JavaScript and stylesheets, but I don't have experience with that. -- Mark dot Van dot Peteghem at q-mentum dot com http://www.q-mentum.com -- easier and more powerful unit testing [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top blwy10 Guest Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? However...Trolltech is planning to dual license Qt on Windows, at the same time Qt 4 will be released, which should be by the end of July or August. But still...if you can't wait, you can either get a hacked version of Qt/X11 which runs natively on Windows, at kde-cygwin.sf.net or you can use wxWidgets, which is also pretty good. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Maciej Sobczak Guest Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? John wrote: Quote: I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Up to now, most of the responses recommend wxWidgets. A more comprehensive list of alternatives can be found at: http://www.free-soft.org/guitool/ -- Maciej Sobczak : http://www.msobczak.com/ Programming : http://www.msobczak.com/prog/ [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top kanze@gabi-soft.fr Guest Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? Mark Van Peteghem wrote: Quote: John wrote: I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. There is also wxWidgets, which has the advantage of being free (QT is only free for open source applications under Linux, if I'm not mistaken - by free I mean as in no money). I use it and like it a lot. See <http://www.wxwidgets.org>. It's free, as in beer. The license is based on LGPL, with some additional freedoms granted, so it shouldn't be too restrictive, either. Their expressed goal with the license is: "a solution that satisfies those who wish to produce GPL'ed software using wxWidgets, and also those producing proprietary software." Quote: I've also heard good things about the Mozilla platform, with which you can develop applications with a mix of C++, JavaScript and stylesheets, but I don't have experience with that. Depending on the application, Java's Swing addressed through Corba could also be an option. I'll admit that I considered this solution mainly before such products as wxWidgets and Qt became available, but Swing is very nicely designed. -- James Kanze GABI Software Conseils en informatique orientée objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung 9 place Sémard, 78210 St.-Cyr-l'École, France, +33 (0)1 30 23 00 34 [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Daniel Kos Guest Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? Try Ultimate++ (upp.sf.net). It's really powerful (but not wide spread as wxwidgets) and it runs both on windows and linux. It also have its own ide. Quote: Hi All, I'm developing a C++ UI application. I want to use QT for that as it can be used on Win32/Linux/Mac platforms and I also find it to be very clean. But the problem is that I'm not sure if any other better options are there for UI. I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Of course if QT is the best then I will go with it. -- --------------------------- Uno (Daniel Kos) [email]dgs (AT) pac (DOT) pl[/email] --------------------------- Opera M2 [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Thomas Mang Guest Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? "Maciej Sobczak" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d8m2r5$ppq$1 (AT) sunnews (DOT) cern.ch... Quote: John wrote: I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Up to now, most of the responses recommend wxWidgets. Last time I checked wxWidgets did not support as many compilers as QT did. The compilers support page is not updated yet, so it would be interesting to get to know which (new) compilers are indeed supported. For example, VC7.1, Intel 8.1, Comeau etc ? Anybody knows? One problem of wxwidget last time I checked internals (which is, admittedly, about 2 years ago) was simply the code base is "old-fashioned" C++, without smart ressource handling (smart pointers), exceptions, namespaces etc. - all the great stuff C++ has and that makes the language attractive. IIRC, Julian Smart once said there are plans to integrate all that kind into the 3.x version of wxWidgets, but I don't know if this is still valid, and if there is any time schedule at all to work / release on that new version. Since I don't know QT, I cannot say whether that library suffers from the same problem, or not. Thomas [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top kanze@gabi-soft.fr Guest Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? Thomas Mang wrote: Quote: "Maciej Sobczak" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d8m2r5$ppq$1 (AT) sunnews (DOT) cern.ch... John wrote: I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Up to now, most of the responses recommend wxWidgets. Last time I checked wxWidgets did not support as many compilers as QT did. The compilers support page is not updated yet, so it would be interesting to get to know which (new) compilers are indeed supported. For example, VC7.1, Intel 8.1, Comeau etc ? Anybody knows? One problem of wxwidget last time I checked internals (which is, admittedly, about 2 years ago) was simply the code base is "old-fashioned" C++, without smart ressource handling (smart pointers), exceptions, namespaces etc. - all the great stuff C++ has and that makes the language attractive. IIRC, Julian Smart once said there are plans to integrate all that kind into the 3.x version of wxWidgets, but I don't know if this is still valid, and if there is any time schedule at all to work / release on that new version. Since I don't know QT, I cannot say whether that library suffers from the same problem, or not. Both have been around for some time, so even without looking at the code, I wouldn't expect all of the latest techniques to be used. When it comes down to it, the question is: does the code work correctly? If you have to write new code, today, you will, of course, use the new techniques, because they make it less work to write correct code. If you have existing code that is correct, however, and doesn't use the new techniques, I can't see any reason to rush to change it. The old techniques also work, and the added effort it took to achieve a working state has already been spent; nothing you can do will get it back. -- James Kanze GABI Software Conseils en informatique orientée objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung 9 place Sémard, 78210 St.-Cyr-l'École, France, +33 (0)1 30 23 00 34 [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Thomas Mang Guest Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: UI for C++ application? <kanze (AT) gabi-soft (DOT) fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1118914067.045199.326780 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Thomas Mang wrote: "Maciej Sobczak" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d8m2r5$ppq$1 (AT) sunnews (DOT) cern.ch... John wrote: I will be grateful if you can please let me know some possibilities. Up to now, most of the responses recommend wxWidgets. Last time I checked wxWidgets did not support as many compilers as QT did. The compilers support page is not updated yet, so it would be interesting to get to know which (new) compilers are indeed supported. For example, VC7.1, Intel 8.1, Comeau etc ? Anybody knows? One problem of wxwidget last time I checked internals (which is, admittedly, about 2 years ago) was simply the code base is "old-fashioned" C++, without smart ressource handling (smart pointers), exceptions, namespaces etc. - all the great stuff C++ has and that makes the language attractive. IIRC, Julian Smart once said there are plans to integrate all that kind into the 3.x version of wxWidgets, but I don't know if this is still valid, and if there is any time schedule at all to work / release on that new version. Since I don't know QT, I cannot say whether that library suffers from the same problem, or not. Both have been around for some time, so even without looking at the code, I wouldn't expect all of the latest techniques to be used. When it comes down to it, the question is: does the code work correctly? If you have to write new code, today, you will, of course, use the new techniques, because they make it less work to write correct code. If you have existing code that is correct, however, and doesn't use the new techniques, I can't see any reason to rush to change it. The old techniques also work, and the added effort it took to achieve a working state has already been spent; nothing you can do will get it back. I am not talking primarily about the implementation, I am talking about what I - as a user - have to deal with. Namespaces are great and useful - wxWidgets does not have them (nor has AFAIK QT). wxWidgets did not use exceptions as mechanism of reporting errors - again more or less a matter of interface, not implementation. And smart-pointers? Well, I wouldn't mind at all not using them in the source code base, were it the code would be 100% correct without them. I remember Vadim Zeitlin once commenting on a user request about smart-pointers that - unfortunately I couldn't find the post, so I am not quoting - when there is an out-of-memory situation the program will die anyways and nothing to do about, so leaks are not s real problem. Uff. Very bit Uff. Or a matter of implementation: They occassionally change class hierarchies. While I don't think that's automatically bad (indeed, if the new design is clear, then I prefer that over having to deal forever with an inappropiate design, but one where one does not have to change existing code), I found out a case where in the source code downcasts were made by C-style casts, and what was earlier a static_cast now became a reinterpret_cast, with fatal consequences (crash). That's one of the cases where preventive, modern C++ (dynamic_cast; or at least static_cast) could have saved lots of time. There is absolutely no point against using wxWidgets - based on what I know I think it's a good library, and regarding its price one won't find something cheaper . It's just an expression that I - as a user - stumbled across some bugs or definitely missing features. Since I don't know QT, I cannot say if this library shares similiar problems. Based on the date of birth I wouldn't be surprised, but again I simply don't know. Has any one here (intensive) experience with both libraries and could comment on stability issues? Thomas [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. 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