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John Femiani
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 Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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Hi,
I was looking at the proposed additions to the C++ std, and I wonder
where I can see the list of proposals, as well as which have been
accepted, excluded, or are still in review. There seem to be a lot of
document/links to wade through in
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/ and for someone who just
started trying to follow this subject it is a lot to take in.
Thanks,
John
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Gennaro Prota
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:42:47 CST, John Femiani wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I was looking at the proposed additions to the C++ std, and I wonder
where I can see the list of proposals, as well as which have been
accepted, excluded, or are still in review. There seem to be a lot of
document/links to wade through in
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/ and for someone who just
started trying to follow this subject it is a lot to take in.
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Beman Dawes kindly provided a reference in the recent thread
"Questions about n1717 - Explicit class and default definitions". For
core language features I heartedly recommend starting from there.
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Gennaro Prota. C++ developer. For hire.
(to mail me, remove any 'u' from the address)
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Douglas Gregor
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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John Femiani wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I was looking at the proposed additions to the C++ std, and I wonder
where I can see the list of proposals, as well as which have been
accepted, excluded, or are still in review. There seem to be a lot of
document/links to wade through in
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/ and for someone who just
started trying to follow this subject it is a lot to take in.
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Alisdair Meredith does a wonderful job of keeping track of all of the
proposals to change the core language. His latest paper detailing the
status of C++0x proposals is here:
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2006/n2122.htm
Cheers,
Doug
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John C. Femiani
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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| Quote: | John Femiani wrote:
Hi,
I was looking at the proposed additions to the C++ std, and I wonder
where I can see the list of proposals, as well as which have been
accepted, excluded, or are still in review. There seem to be a lot of
document/links to wade through in
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/ and for someone who just
started trying to follow this subject it is a lot to take in.
Alisdair Meredith does a wonderful job of keeping track of all of the
proposals to change the core language. His latest paper detailing the
status of C++0x proposals is here:
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2006/n2122.htm
Cheers,
Doug
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Thanks guys, sorry I did not spot that link in the previous thread.
So, is it correct to assume pretty much only the green-highlighted rows are
going to be in the next standard?
I'm pretty disappointed that the shared library proposal is in red; I would
really like to see that added.
John
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Beman Dawes
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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John C. Femiani wrote:
| Quote: | John Femiani wrote:
Hi,
I was looking at the proposed additions to the C++ std, and I wonder
where I can see the list of proposals, as well as which have been
accepted, excluded, or are still in review. There seem to be a lot of
document/links to wade through in
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/ and for someone who just
started trying to follow this subject it is a lot to take in.
Alisdair Meredith does a wonderful job of keeping track of all of the
proposals to change the core language. His latest paper detailing the
status of C++0x proposals is here:
http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2006/n2122.htm
Cheers,
Doug
Thanks guys, sorry I did not spot that link in the previous thread.
So, is it correct to assume pretty much only the green-highlighted rows are
going to be in the next standard?
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The colors just indicate change in status since the prior committee meeting.
As to what will end up in the next standard, I rate chances for each
category something like this:
"Integrated into working paper": These are done deals; they would only
be removed if some totally unexpected showstopper arises.
"Proposed wording under review in Core": These are almost done deals;
they will only fail to be included if unexpected issues arises.
"Blessed by evolution - wording available for initial review by Core":
These will probably make it, but have had a bit less review so the
chances of unexpected issues is a bit greater.
"Active topics in Evolution": The bulk of these will make it, but
possibly in altered form.
Anything in one of the other categories is in trouble. Unless someone
does a lot of work on the proposal before the next meeting, the proposal
is unlikely to make it into C++0x.
Do note however that Alisdair's status list is unofficial; he does a
great job keeping up-to-date, but the meetings are unbelievably hectic
with many parallel tracks so he sometimes misses a change in status.
| Quote: | I'm pretty disappointed that the shared library proposal is in red; I would
really like to see that added.
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I could easily be wrong, but isn't that work going forward under the
"Dynamic libraries" rubric? Perhaps some other committee member could
comment.
Be aware that the C++ standard is essentially an open source software
project. Nothing happens unless someone volunteers to do the work. If
you want to see something happen, come to a committee meeting or team up
with others and work to make it happen.
--Beman
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Douglas Gregor
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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John C. Femiani wrote:
| Quote: | So, is it correct to assume pretty much only the green-highlighted rows are
going to be in the next standard?
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Green means that the proposals have advanced a category recently.
| Quote: | I'm pretty disappointed that the shared library proposal is in red; I would
really like to see that added.
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Proposals move forward when people dedicate their time to make the
proposals solid enough to withstand the committee's scrutiny. With
enough work, a proposal can jump up several categories in one meeting.
We managed to get variadic templates from "stalled" to "blessed" in
about an hour of committee time. However, making that happen involved
implementing the proposal in full, trying out the feature on a lot of
code, gathering feedback from interested users in advance, and
providing a proposal that was detailed enough for users and
implementors to understand what variadic templates are and how they fit
into a compiler.
The same could be done for shared libraries, and I would like to see it
happen. But, someone has to pick it up and dedicate a lot of time to
doing it right. And the hurdles grow taller as C++0x approaches.
Cheers,
Doug
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Pete Becker
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: Re: How do I see the currently accepted parts? |
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Beman Dawes wrote:
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I'm pretty disappointed that the shared library proposal is in red; I
would really like to see that added.
I could easily be wrong, but isn't that work going forward under the
"Dynamic libraries" rubric? Perhaps some other committee member could
comment.
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I don't know what the current label is, but the work is still going on.
Not for C++0x, though.
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Roundhouse Consulting, Ltd. (www.versatilecoding.com)
Author of "The Standard C++ Library Extensions: a Tutorial and
Reference." (www.petebecker.com/tr1book)
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