C++Talk.NET C++ language newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  GUI for C++ - but which one? Goto page 1, 2  Next          C++Talk.NET Forum Index -> C++ Language (Moderated) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message White Wolf Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: GUI for C++ - but which one? Hi, I am looking for some advices on choosing a GUI framework/library/solution... to use with a pet project, which may become something useful later. I know of two existing, portable and praised libraries: Qt from Trolltech and wxWidgets. For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. The wxWidgets seems to be nice, however the size of simple executables produces with that system is surprisingly large. So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? I am looking for something which provides a reasonable set of "widgets" (such as trees etc.), does not enforce its own look and feel (uses the native GUI if that is requested), free to use, not overcomplicated and it does not have the kitchen sink integrated into it (like no XML support etc.). Please share your thoughts! BTW the pet project I am dreaming about would be strongly C++ related. -- WW aka Attila ::: ..sdrawkcab dootsrednu tub sdrawrof devil si efiL [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Maciej Sobczak Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? White Wolf wrote: Quote: I am looking for some advices on choosing a GUI This is quite comprehensive list of (more or less) free GUI libraries: http://www.free-soft.org/guitool/ -- Maciej Sobczak : http://www.msobczak.com/ Programming : http://www.msobczak.com/prog/ [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Mirek Fidler Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? Quote: I am looking for some advices on choosing a GUI framework/library/solution... to use with a pet project, which may become something useful later. I know of two existing, portable and praised libraries: Qt from Trolltech and wxWidgets. For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. The wxWidgets seems to be nice, however the size of simple executables produces with that system is surprisingly large. So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? I am looking for something which provides a reasonable set of "widgets" (such as trees etc.), does not enforce its own look and feel (uses the native GUI if that is requested), free to use, not overcomplicated and it does not have the kitchen sink integrated into it (like no XML support etc.). Please share your thoughts! BTW the pet project I am dreaming about would be strongly C++ related. Well, if you insist... I believe you cannot beat Ultimate++ upp.sf.net in terms of low source code complexity. Mirek [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Anthony Williams Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? "White Wolf" <wolof (AT) freemail (DOT) hu> writes: Quote: For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. FYI: Qt now has the same licensing terms on Windows and Linux --- licences for open source software are free, licences for commercial software cost money. Anthony -- Anthony Williams Software Developer [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top E. Rosten Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 02:53:56 -0400, White Wolf wrote: Quote: So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? I am looking for something which provides a reasonable set of "widgets" (such as trees etc.), does not enforce its own look and feel (uses the native GUI if that is requested), free to use, not overcomplicated and it does not have the kitchen sink integrated into it (like no XML support etc.). After doing a brief survey of widget sets before writing a GUI app, I settled on Fltk, since it had the lowest barrier to entry - I wasn't writing a complex GUI, and so I didn't want to spend a lot of time learning how to use the toolkit. The `hello, world' program is very short, and the library source code is simple enough to dive in to. I think Fltk 2.0 (I've only used 1.1) is themeable, so you could make it match the native widget set that way. -Ed -- (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) 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For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. The wxWidgets seems to be nice, however the size of simple executables produces with that system is surprisingly large. So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? I am looking for something which provides a reasonable set of "widgets" (such as trees etc.), does not enforce its own look and feel (uses the native GUI if that is requested), free to use, not overcomplicated and it does not have the kitchen sink integrated into it (like no XML support etc.). Please share your thoughts! BTW the pet project I am dreaming about would be strongly C++ related. there was / is a series of articles in the c++ user's journal on a (strongly c++ related gui-wrapper. the author's name was John Torjo, see e.g. http://www.cuj.com/articles/2005/0503/ however, i cannot tell how sophisticated this library is, and how portable i.e. if there are any implementations but for windows. anyway, the source code should be downloadable for free. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top pongba@gmail.com Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? Well,I don't know why nobody metioned win32gui, which, IMO, is a pretty good gui library,althogh a bit little unmature and perhaps a little unstable and not that bug-free. However,just by grapping a little code from the source ,you'll find that it's implementation is so cute and consistent with the mainstream C++ techniques,that is,template and/or GP. It's user interface is amazingly sweet,too.For those people who cares about the "hello world" program,it's "hello world" example code looks extremely straight-forward and pretty. The library is Open Source,which simutaneously means lacking supporting from large number of developper,but IMO John torjo did an marvelous job anyway. I strongly suggest this incredible gui lib. You can reach it via http://www.torjo.com [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Stefan Chrobot Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? U¿ytkownik White Wolf napisa³: Quote: Hi, I am looking for some advices on choosing a GUI framework/library/solution... to use with a pet project, which may become something useful later. I know of two existing, portable and praised libraries: Qt from Trolltech and wxWidgets. For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. The wxWidgets seems to be nice, however the size of simple executables produces with that system is surprisingly large. So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? I am looking for something which provides a reasonable set of "widgets" (such as trees etc.), does not enforce its own look and feel (uses the native GUI if that is requested), free to use, not overcomplicated and it does not have the kitchen sink integrated into it (like no XML support etc.). Please share your thoughts! BTW the pet project I am dreaming about would be strongly C++ related. Hello! Recently I've been searching for a GUI too. I believe that the future of GUI programming are template-based libraries. Take a look at these: http://www.torjo.com/win32gui/ http://smartwin.sourceforge.net/ http://notus.sourceforge.net/ Qt and wxWidgets are qood libraries, but they don't take advantage of modern C++ feautures. Google'ing through Internet I've read that Notus is (connected with?) Boost.GUI, but that's not confirmed. Stefan [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Carlos Moreno Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? Anthony Williams wrote: Quote: For Qt, my feelings are mixed, as it is told to be an excellent product - however it is quite long lived (so it might already experience the symptoms of software.evolution-penalty) and AFAIK it is only free to use on Linux. FYI: Qt now has the same licensing terms on Windows and Linux --- licences for open source software are free, licences for commercial software cost money. AFAIK, commercial has nothing to do with it -- if the source code is closed, then you have to pay for the product. Carlos -- [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Pavel Vozenilek Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? "Stefan Chrobot" wrote: Quote: http://notus.sourceforge.net/ I've read that Notus is (connected with?) Boost.GUI, but that's not confirmed. Unfortunately abandoned early. /Pavel [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Alex Beluga Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? As far as I was Googlin', I found that Boost.GUI is now searching for good GUI to fit into it requirements. E.g.:http://www.crystalclearsoftware.com/cgi-bin/boost_wiki/wiki.pl?BoostGUI [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Rui Maciel Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? Stefan Chrobot wrote: Quote: Qt and wxWidgets are qood libraries, but they don't take advantage of modern C++ feautures. The last time I looked at wxWidgets it was still called wxWindows. Still, back then they explained why they didn't implemented everything which C++ offered. The reason was support. Back then the great majority of the available compilers didn't implemented the simplest template functionality correctly, let alone all the bells and whistles. So, because the aim of the project was to create a multi-plataform toolkit, they decided to take the safe (but sometimes less elegant) path. And now that you mentioned Qt, to me it is the best toolkit in the market. Extremelly simple, quite intuitive, very modular, extensively documented and nicelly supported. That's the one I suggest learning/implementing. Rui Maciel -- Running Kubuntu 5.04 with KDE 3.4.1 and proud of it. jabber:rui_maciel (AT) jabber (DOT) org [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Peter van Merkerk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? White Wolf wrote: Quote: So I decided to ask the C++ community: what portable GUI solution is to choose? What (others) are there? What are their strengths/weaknesses? The following article discusses the strengst and weaknesses of a couple of GUI toolkits: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/928/ -- Peter van Merkerk peter.van.merkerk(at)dse.nl [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top White Wolf Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? Pavel Vozenilek wrote: Quote: "Stefan Chrobot" wrote: http://notus.sourceforge.net/ I've read that Notus is (connected with?) Boost.GUI, but that's not confirmed. Unfortunately abandoned early. What do you mean by that? Who has abandoned it? Why? What does abandoned mean? Is it final? -- WW aka Attila ::: 'The art of free and critical thought is not easily learned. It must be nurtured.' [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top White Wolf Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: GUI for C++ - but which one? [email]pongba (AT) gmail (DOT) com[/email] wrote: Quote: Well,I don't know why nobody metioned win32gui, which, IMO, is a pretty [SNIP] You can reach it via http://www.torjo.com I have looked at the page, but there isn't much info - and the name suggests that it is non-portable, which was one of my main requirements (to be portable). -- WW aka Attila ::: Everyone wants a bus service to their door, but no one wants a bus service in their street. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. 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