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Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? In article <1140117486.060105.217890 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com>, "JoeC" <enki034 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. I suggest you read the following books in order: "Large-Scale C++ Software Design" by John Lakos. "Object-Oriented Design Heuristics" by Arthur J. Riel "Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software" by Erich Gamma, et al. "Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code" by Martin Fowler, et al. (Examples in Java but still great stuff.) -- Magic depends on tradition and belief. It does not welcome observation, nor does it profit by experiment. On the other hand, science is based on experience; it is open to correction by observation and experiment. Back to top Victor Bazarov Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? JoeC wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. If this is a question (which usually should end with a question mark), then you can find some answers in "Large-Scale C++ Software Design" by John Lakos. Also, check out "Code Complete" by Steve McConnell. Quote: I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. It is difficult (and in some cases impossible) to teach to write "better programs". It often comes with experience (however frustrating that might sound). The simple recipe I know has three ingredients: practice, practice, and practice. Some like to spice it up with peer code reviews, but that's up to you. V -- Please remove capital As from my address when replying by mail Back to top Neil Cerutti Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? On 2006-02-16, JoeC <enki034 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. _The Practice of Programming_ by Kernighan and Pike is filled with practical wisdom. Most of their advice is not specifically for large-scale software design, but it's definitely applicable. -- Neil Cerutti Back to top Phlip Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? JoeC wrote: Quote: www.planetsourcecode.com They don't list Python or Ruby, and then they list "Java/JavaScript" as the same category. Chills. -- Phlip http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!! Back to top JoeC Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? I posted some of what I am working on for some advice. The stuff dosn't work as I would like but it is still a work in progress. I also know that unerstanding syntax is paramount but many of the programming books are massive tomes that don;t lend themselvs to sequential study but are good refrences if you know what you want to look up. A good example was that I missed the extern command and how it works and some advice dramatically improved my program and some of the debugging is was doing. I still have a ways to go. I have written several programs in Perl and C++ and they are posted at www.planetsourcecode.com. I always read the advice I get very carfully because appreciate the time it takes to respond to what I post. I also would like to help those who I can. Back to top Puppet_Sock Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? Daniel T. wrote: [snip] Quote: I suggest you read the following books in order: "Large-Scale C++ Software Design" by John Lakos. [other books snipped] I liked this book. But I would very much like to see it updated to include the more modern aspects of C++. (Unless it has been so updated, in which case somebody please grab the clue bat and en-clue me abruptly.) For example, it didn't have much to do with templates and the STL and such like considerations. Socks Back to top Art Stamness Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? I was privileged enough to see John Lakos present at the C++ Developers Conference in Vegas this last october, and was given a teaser chapter from : "Large Scale C++ Software Development". Notice the last work is Development, not Design. There is a focus on Test Driven Development, and other larger scale issues when working with C++ code in larger projects, than just the practical inheritance, dependencies, and linkage issues he focused on in the first book. -Art Back to top Phlip Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? Puppet_Sock wrote: Quote: "Large-Scale C++ Software Design" by John Lakos. I liked this book. But I would very much like to see it updated to include the more modern aspects of C++. (Unless it has been so updated, in which case somebody please grab the clue bat and en-clue me abruptly.) For example, it didn't have much to do with templates and the STL and such like considerations. The core of that book - inside all the ultimately irrelevant guidelines - is the methodology that produced the guidelines. Read between the guidelines. And read /C++ Coding Standards/ by Sutter & Alexandrescu a modern checklist. -- Phlip http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!! Back to top Bob Hairgrove Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? On 16 Feb 2006 11:18:06 -0800, "JoeC" <enki034 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. For more basic C++ things, definitely read everything you can find written by Scott Meyers: especially "EFfective C++", "More Effective C++" and "Effective STL". Also, all the other books mentioned in this thread are important to read...especially the "Design Patterns" book as well as just about anything written by Martin Fowler. Finally, google for "Rational Unified Process" or "RUP". Lots of software companies use this methodology in their projects. Doesn't hurt to know what it's all about, even if you don't end up doing something exactly that way. Of course, RUP isn't specifically about writing programs in C++, but consists of guidelines of general principles which can be applied to every programming language. There are links on the IBM web site to papers (PDF and HTML) with extensive documentation which can be viewed for free. -- Bob Hairgrove NoSpamPlease (AT) Home (DOT) com Back to top Axter Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? JoeC wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. The following book is a good place to start: C++ Coding Standards : 101 Rules, Guidelines, and Best Practices {Herb Sutter, Andrei Alexandrescu} I also recommend the following books: Effective C++ by Scott Meyers More Effective C++ by Scott Meyers Exceptional C++ by Herb Sutter More Exceptional C++ by Herb Sutter Effective STL by Scott Meyers Programming languages - C++ STANDARD ISO/IEC 14882:1998(E) C++ Programming Language Special Edition, The by Bjarne Stroustrup Efficient C++ by Dov Bulka & David Mayhew Modern C++ Design by Andrei Alexandrescu Back to top Marcelo Pinto Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? Bob Hairgrove escreveu: Quote: On 16 Feb 2006 11:18:06 -0800, "JoeC" <enki034 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. For more basic C++ things, definitely read everything you can find written by Scott Meyers: especially "EFfective C++", "More Effective C++" and "Effective STL". Also, all the other books mentioned in this thread are important to read...especially the "Design Patterns" book as well as just about anything written by Martin Fowler. Also anything by Herb Sutter, Nicolai Josuttis and Andrei Alexandrescu. Quote: Finally, google for "Rational Unified Process" or "RUP". Lots of software companies use this methodology in their projects. Doesn't hurt to know what it's all about, even if you don't end up doing something exactly that way. Of course, RUP isn't specifically about writing programs in C++, but consists of guidelines of general principles which can be applied to every programming language. There are links on the IBM web site to papers (PDF and HTML) with extensive documentation which can be viewed for free. In this line of indications I would also suggest: - Agile Software Development: PPP by Robert Martin - Applying UML and Patterns by Craig Larman Quote: -- Bob Hairgrove NoSpamPlease (AT) Home (DOT) com HTH, Marcelo Pinto. Back to top JoeC Guest Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? I guess there is quite a bit out there. I realy havn't had any formal programming training only what I learn out of books. I wonder how useful class would be but I think would be more helpful would be knowing other people who know somthing about programming and the exchange of ideas. I is very challenging trying to learn all of this on my own. I think I will take a break for a while untile I get some ideas for programs. I am going to have to come up with a better way of writing my current project or come up with an idea for a new project. I always like to ask what are some tips and tricks to learning programming? Reading through those large tomes or are there some resources better than others? Back to top Daniel T. Guest Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? In article <1140241304.144620.319780 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com>, "JoeC" <enki034 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I guess there is quite a bit out there. I realy havn't had any formal programming training only what I learn out of books. I wonder how useful class would be but I think would be more helpful would be knowing other people who know somthing about programming and the exchange of ideas. I is very challenging trying to learn all of this on my own. I think I will take a break for a while untile I get some ideas for programs. I am going to have to come up with a better way of writing my current project or come up with an idea for a new project. I always like to ask what are some tips and tricks to learning programming? Reading through those large tomes or are there some resources better than others? I haven't had any formal training either. Actually, that isn't true, but my formal training came *after* I learned how to program. Write lots of programs, even trivial stuff. If you see someone else's program and you think you could write something like it, do it. Also, help all the college students in this group (and comp.lang.learn.c-c++) with their homework. Do the homework yourself, and then give them hints that you think will lead them to the answer. -- Magic depends on tradition and belief. It does not welcome observation, nor does it profit by experiment. On the other hand, science is based on experience; it is open to correction by observation and experiment. Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Good Programming Techniques? JoeC wrote: Quote: I have seen many books that teack coding for C++. What are ways to improve my techniques for writing larger programs. I have written many demo programs learning some aspects of code wether it be dynamic binding or creating function and I understand most of that but how can I learn and employ techniques to make my programs better. I try to employ the lessons I learn in the programs that I write. Acclerated C++ is the best book I have found to actually write better programs. One of the most important aspects of building large systems is physical design. Physical design focuses on building software from a fine-grained hierarchy of reusable components, packaged into a hierarchy of libraries. There is no better book (perhaps no other book) explaining physical design than Lakos' Large-Scale C++ Software Design. Some of the more interesting chapters describe techniques for re-factoring software to break dependencies between comonents caused by common misimplementations such as improper encapsulation and long-distance friendships. 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