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Ted Harvard
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 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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Pete C.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
| Quote: | I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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How are you posting here?
Anyway, try Google, but I think the zx81 runs on a z80. I tried finding a
C++ compiler for the z80 a few months ago, but no luck. There was several C
compilers, though.
- Pete
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Jerry Coffin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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[email]rest_ampere (AT) yahoo (DOT) com[/email] (Ted Harvard) wrote in message news:<f89143b2.0406190146.57dcd9af (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>...
| Quote: | I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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The only one of which I'm aware is written in Java, so as soon as you
find a JVM for the ZX81, you're all set.
Later,
Jerry.
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Julie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
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I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the necessary
$$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do w/ your
time.
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Julián Albo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Julie wrote:
| Quote: | I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
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Why? You can be perfectly happy programming an old machine of the 80' in
some interpreted Basic, for example.
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Salu2
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JKop
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Julie posted:
| Quote: | Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the
necessary $$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do
w/ your time.
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The C++ Standard defines no such terms as:
modern pc
a high level of commitment
$$
-JKop
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Pete C.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Julie wrote:
| Quote: | Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the
necessary $$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do
w/ your time.
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Why not? People used to get along fine with computers that had less power
than a modern $10 pocket calculator.
Old computers can do just as much as when they were made; they don't
magically deteriorate in processing power.
- Pete
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Victor Bazarov
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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"Pete C." <x@x.x> wrote...
| Quote: | Julie wrote:
Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the
necessary $$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do
w/ your time.
Why not? People used to get along fine with computers that had less power
than a modern $10 pocket calculator.
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Not using Standard C++ language.
| Quote: | Old computers can do just as much as when they were made; they don't
magically deteriorate in processing power.
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They don't by themselves. But you cannot consider computers outside
the context of using them with certain tools. I can program in C++
using Zortech C++ circa 1991 on a PC/AT of similar vintage, but I would
not be programming in C++ as it is known and used today.
Common mistake (IMNSHO) made often in Usenet discussions is giving
excessively generic statements in a conversation that starts about
something pretty concrete and limited in scope. Can one learn to
program on a Sinclair? Definitely. Can one learn to use C++ Templates
in their full capacity on a Sinclair? I strongly doubt that. One does
need a modern compiler for that and most (if not all) modern compilers
require pretty modern hardware/OS setup to be used.
What a Sinclair could be used for is to serve as a remote terminal to
a machine elsewhere. One would need a modem and a phone line for that
(and, no, I am not sure Sinclair had a modem, but I believe it could
have one).
V
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Jim Lynch
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Ted Harvard wrote:
| Quote: | I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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Does anyone else think this was a red herring?
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E. Robert Tisdale
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: Troll Alert: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Something that calls itself Ted Harvard wrote:
| Quote: | I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
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This is an obvious troll.
Please ignore it.
Notice that it was originally cross posted to alt.mythe.
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Pete C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Jim Lynch wrote:
| Quote: | Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
Does anyone else think this was a red herring?
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Yes, but it's a fun-to-discuss one :)
- Pete
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Pete C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:42 am Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Victor Bazarov wrote:
| Quote: | "Pete C." <x@x.x> wrote...
Julie wrote:
Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be
programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the
necessary $$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to
do w/ your time.
Why not? People used to get along fine with computers that had less
power than a modern $10 pocket calculator.
Not using Standard C++ language.
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The post I was responding to (Julie's) was talking about programming in
general.
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| Quote: | Common mistake (IMNSHO) made often in Usenet discussions is giving
excessively generic statements in a conversation that starts about
something pretty concrete and limited in scope.
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Good point ;)
- Pete
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Pete C.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Troll Alert: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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E. Robert Tisdale wrote:
| Quote: | Something that calls itself Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
This is an obvious troll.
Please ignore it.
Notice that it was originally cross posted to alt.mythe.
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Please explain, what makes everyone but you incapable of deciding what posts
we're allowed to respond to?
- Pete
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Old Wolf
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Julie <julie (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the necessary
$$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do w/ your
time.
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This is rubbish. My school entered an inter-school BASIC programming
competition once. We had an Apple IIe (with line-editor and line numbers).
The others all had fancy Macs and PCs with cut-and-paste, and functions,
and so on. We hosed them all thoroughly.
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Julie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Can I program C++ on the Sinclair ZX81? |
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Old Wolf wrote:
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Julie <julie (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote
Ted Harvard wrote:
I cannot afford a modern PC, so I'm looking for C++ on tape for the
ZX81.Where can I find it?
If you can't afford a 'modern' pc, then you shouldn't be programming.
Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the necessary
$$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
Either make the necessary commitments, or choose something else to do w/ your
time.
This is rubbish. My school entered an inter-school BASIC programming
competition once. We had an Apple IIe (with line-editor and line numbers).
The others all had fancy Macs and PCs with cut-and-paste, and functions,
and so on. We hosed them all thoroughly.
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So what are you disagreeing with?
Did you not make a commitment to learn/know BASIC?
Were the computers that you used without cost?
| Quote: | Programming *requires* a high level of commitment which includes the necessary
$$ to be able to purchase the necessary tools.
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Are you saying that this isn't true? That you can program w/o commitment and
tools?
It is my impression that the OP isn't sincere in his intentions, or is out of
touch with alternative measures or the reality of the situation.
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