C++Talk.NET C++ language newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  C++ standard library          C++Talk.NET Forum Index -> C++ Language (Moderated) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message arnuld Guest Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:59 am    Post subject: C++ standard library Hai folks, i posted this question 1 month ago @ comp.lang.c++ but did not get answer. so i am posting it here. next week i want to purchase C++ books. with advice form folks at comp.lang.c++, archives of comp.lang.c++.moderated & ACCU.org & i came to the following conclusion, for the present: "C++ Primer 3/e" by LIPPMAN & Lajoie. "The C++ Standard Library: A Tutorial and Reference" 1st-edition (1999) by Josuttis "STL Tutorial and Reference Guide" 2/e by David Musser & Atul Saini "The C++ Programming Language" 3/e by Bjarne Stroustrup (MY experience: Common Lisp @ www.gigamonkeys.com/book) PROBLEM: C++ standard Library. both "The C++ Standard Library: A Tutorial and Reference" by Josuttis & "C++ Primer" 4/e are not available in INDIA, so i am not going to buy. (i wasted all the money i had by trusting false reviews of amazon.com. books outside india are 6-8 times expensive e.g. TC++PL 3/e costs 650 INR (INdian Rupees) where from amazon it costs more than 4000 INR) HACKER principle: do not reinvent the wheel. always use what was already built. ---- so i am going to follow this principle. i will use what is available in C++ Standard Library & STL. so which book for C++ Standard Library? Musser & Saini's book is specifically for STL which is a only a part of the Standard Library. what about Standard Library itself? Is TC++PL 3/e by stroustrup is good for that (i mean reading it after C++ Primer & Mussser ) ? or something else. thanks for your precious time. -- arnuld [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top arnuld Guest Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: C++ standard library Quote: That is a great pity because the first book is beyond argument the fron runner for that topic (by quite a long way) And the 4th edition of the C++ Primer is a great improvement on the already good 3ed. This is to such an extent that I would delay buying the 3ed if there is any chance that the 4th will be available before the end of the year. i wish i could do that, unfortunately i am running out of time. please also read my reply to Christian's post. Quote: I am also a little puzzled by those price differences. Actually I am staggered by your quoted price of 650 INR which converts to 7.50 ukp. I could not buy a second hand copy of that book for that price in the UK. That leads me to wonder what is going on. I have a pretty good idea about the true cost of producing a book and that price hardly makes sense (and were I the author I would be very disturbed by it) nearly everyone gets puzzeled when i tell them so. take a look at these prices too: "C++ Primer 3/e" : 450 INR "Effective STL" : 275 INR "OOA & D with Appications" : 450 INR thanks Francis for your time. If you have some time, make sure you read my reply to Christian's post. i think you can give me some precious advice. "arnuld" [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top arnuld Guest Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: C++ standard library Quote: I inferred from your post that you don't have much C++ experience: youa re right. acually i have zero. Quote: Here is my highly personal list of favorite books, assuming you are starting in C++: - Accelerated C++: short, but goes deep into C++, including STL. The first book I recommend to people that have some programming experience, but not a lot of C++ experience. I agree & i respect your opinion. all of the folks in the archives @ 3 newsgroups comp.lang.c++, alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ & comp.lang.c++.moderated recommended this book. i have checked ACCU & i know it has set a new standard of excellence in teaching C++ & as i told you i do not have any money, only a little. Quote: - Effective C++: keep this one handy. It is likely having an experienced developer as a mentor. OK, available in INDIA, done. Quote: - C++ Coding Standards: pick up good progamming style from the start. also done Quote: As for STL, what worked for me was to first understand what STL is about. Start with the great SGI site at http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/. See their introduction site. got it. Quote: "The C++ Standard Library: A Tutorial and Reference" is the best reference book on the STL I have ever used. Lots of code snippets and explanations why it works that way. I know you mentioned it is expensive in India, but if you will spend a lot of time with STL code, it is a good investment. same reviews & thoughts of folks like they have for Acelerated C++. for the first time in my life i am feeling the importance of money (trust me, i never thought i needed money). i made many mistakes in my life & i am paying the price as a realtively poor fellow. it's enough, my focus will be on becoming a *C++ Guru* , generating wealth, from now on. thanks Chris. i am not speaking out of motivation, it is real-thing we call physical-pain => hard-work => wealth. i will remember you (& Francis) for all of my life. I will remain in touch through emails or posts. thanks Quote: If that book is terribly expensive, go for Effective STL then. OK, No Musser. Effective STL by Herb Sutter then. (available) Quote: If you happen to be new to OOD/OOP, "Fundamentals of Object-Oriented Design in UML" is a good start (don't let the "UML" in the title fool you - it is a reedition of an earlier book from Page-Jones). most folks & ACCU too recommended 1 of these 3 for a complete novice to OOA & D: "OOA & D with Applications" -- Grady Booch "OO M & D" -- Rumbaugh "OO Software Construction" -- Bertrand Meyer (uses Eiffel) 1st 2 are available in INDIA, along with your Page-Jones's UML book. what do you say. Quote: As for the venerable "The C++ Programming Language", I heard differing opinions from fellow programmers. Some like the exhaustive approach. Some complain they lose the forest for the trees. I recommend you browse it in the bookstore to make up your mind. OK day after tomorrow i am going to the capital of my country to purchase C++ books. i will browse it then. Christian , thanks a lot for your precious time. "arnuld" [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Gene Bushuyev Guest Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: C++ standard library "arnuld" <arnuld3 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1153678147.543985.259320 (AT) i42g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Hai folks, i posted this question 1 month ago @ comp.lang.c++ but did not get answer. so i am posting it here. next week i want to purchase C++ books. with advice form folks at comp.lang.c++, archives of comp.lang.c++.moderated & ACCU.org & i came to the following conclusion, for the present: I have a list of recommended books with brief synopsis for each of them here: http://www.gbresearch.com/software_resources.html -- Gene Bushuyev (www.gbresearch.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------- To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle ~ George Orwell [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Gene Bushuyev Guest Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: C++ standard library "Francis Glassborow" <francis (AT) robinton (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:UZhKIbGs+exEFwAS (AT) robinton (DOT) demon.co.uk... Quote: In article <mxaxg.11882$2v.8049 (AT) newssvr25 (DOT) news.prodigy.net>, Gene Bushuyev <spam (AT) spamguard (DOT) com> writes I have a list of recommended books with brief synopsis for each of them here: http://www.gbresearch.com/software_resources.html I am not happy with that wording. I think that you should make it clear who is recommending those books. It makes an immense difference whether they are an individuals selection or that of some organisation or institution. It also matters as to when it was last updated because new good books continue to come on line. I apologize if I led anybody to believe that the mentioned list is anything but my personal selection. So I want to clarify here, this list consists only of the books that I personally read and liked. There were many other books that I read or perused which didn't pass my test for usefulness and ease of reading, or they didn't add much to those listed or they were outdated. I intend to keep this list short, including only what I consider the best books for the biggest number of programmers. Regarding the new titles I will be adding them as long as I read them myself. In fact I regularly visit my local B&N to check the new additions. And though there are shelves after shelves of all sorts of screaming new titles, in my opinion, very few of them are worth reading or recommending. -- Gene Bushuyev (www.gbresearch.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------- To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle ~ George Orwell [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. 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