C++Talk.NET C++ language newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  C or C++ first? Goto page 1, 2  Next          C++Talk.NET Forum Index -> C++ language (comp.lang.c++) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message English Teacher Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:27 am    Post subject: C or C++ first? Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Back to top David White Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:08 am    Post subject: Troll alert: C or C++ first? English Teacher <EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. I'll get in before E. Robert Tisdale this time and point out that this is an obvious troll. Please ignore it. DW Back to top Mike Wahler Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? "English Teacher" <EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Should I learn C first? Yes. Quote: Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Yes. Quote: Thanks in advance. You're welcome. -Mike Back to top Andrey Tarasevich Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? Micah Cowan wrote: Quote: EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com (English Teacher) writes: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. ... This is the same moron that's been wasting bandwidth and ASCII characters in rec.photo.equipment.35mm for quite some time now. Just ignore him. -- Best regards, Andrey Tarasevich Brainbench C and C++ Programming MVP Back to top Micah Cowan Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? [email]EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com[/email] (English Teacher) writes: Quote: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. If you wish to learn C, then learn it. If your sole desire is to learn C++ or C#, then you are much better off learning C++ or C# without going through C first. In particular, if you learn C hoping that it will give you a boost in your understanding of C++, you are probably mistaken: you will have to unlearn several things from C that have been changed in C++. Moreover, there are things which are considered proper and correct in C that are considered poor style in C++, and vice-versa; and both viewpoints are often correct given the context of the separate languages. -- Micah J. Cowan [email]micah (AT) cowan (DOT) name[/email] Back to top Ed Morrow Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? Micah Cowan wrote: Quote: EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com (English Teacher) writes: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. If you wish to learn C, then learn it. If your sole desire is to learn C++ or C#, then you are much better off learning C++ or C# without going through C first. In particular, if you learn C hoping that it will give you a boost in your understanding of C++, you are probably mistaken: you will have to unlearn several things from C that have been changed in C++. Moreover, there are things which are considered proper and correct in C that are considered poor style in C++, and vice-versa; and both viewpoints are often correct given the context of the separate languages. lol maybe he needs to learn to C so he can take pictures and make a table Back to top Dan Pop Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? In <m34qy3ovhw.fsf (AT) localhost (DOT) localdomain> Micah Cowan <micah (AT) cowan (DOT) name> writes: Quote: EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com (English Teacher) writes: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. If you wish to learn C, then learn it. If your sole desire is to learn C++ or C#, then you are much better off learning C++ or C# without going through C first. In particular, if you learn C hoping that it will give you a boost in your understanding of C++, you are probably mistaken: you will have to unlearn several things from C that have been changed in C++. Moreover, there are things which are considered proper and correct in C that are considered poor style in C++, and vice-versa; and both viewpoints are often correct given the context of the separate languages. Things are more complicated in the real world. What kind of C++ programming do you intend to do? If it's supposed to be limited to the high level of C++ (i.e. using classes already implemented by other people), then there is little point in wasting time learning C. If you have to use C++ at its lowest level (i.e. you have to implement your classes from scratch), few C++ tutorials provide enough coverage of the low level C++ features (many of which are basically the same as in C). This is where previous knowledge of C usually helps. Dan -- Dan Pop DESY Zeuthen, RZ group Email: [email]Dan.Pop (AT) ifh (DOT) de[/email] Back to top Thomas Matthews Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? English Teacher wrote: Quote: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. This person should be reported to their ISP for network abuse. This issue has already been discussed in news:comp.lang.c, news:comp.lang.c++, news:rec.woodworking before. The clue is news:rec.woodworking. Please use your favorite search engine and search these newsgroups before posting. -- Thomas Matthews C++ newsgroup welcome message: http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq: http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html Other sites: http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book Back to top E. Robert Tisdale Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:37 pm    Post subject: Troll Alert: C or C++ first? Micah Cowan wrote: Quote: EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com (English Teacher) writes: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Because it's an obvious troll. Quote: Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. If you wish to learn C, then learn it. If your sole desire is to learn C++ or C#, then you are much better off learning C++ or C# without going through C first. In particular, if you learn C hoping that it will give you a boost in your understanding of C++, you are probably mistaken: you will have to unlearn several things from C that have been changed in C++. Moreover, there are things which are considered proper and correct in C that are considered poor style in C++, and vice-versa; and both viewpoints are often correct given the context of the separate languages. If it were left up to me to decide whether to teach C, C++ or C#, I would teach C++. It's much easier to teach good programming practice in C++ than in C. I would be very reluctant to teach either Java or C# -- not because their is anything very wrong with these languages but because neither language is *standardized* like C or C++. Back to top Frank ess Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? "Thomas Matthews" <Thomas_MatthewsHatesSpam (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote Quote: English Teacher wrote: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. This person should be reported to their ISP for network abuse. This issue has already been discussed in news:comp.lang.c, news:comp.lang.c++, news:rec.woodworking before. The clue is news:rec.woodworking. Please use your favorite search engine and search these newsgroups before posting. -- Thomas Matthews C++ newsgroup welcome message: http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq: http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c++/faq.html Other sites: http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book not here Back to top Tony Spadaro Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Troll alert: C or C++ first? No shirt Shitlock If you didn't answer this crap it would dissapear. Programmers are apparently both ignorant and arrogant. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com home of The Camera-ist's Manifesto The Improved Links Pages are at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/links/mlinks00.html A sample chapter from my novel "Haight-Ashbury" is at http://www.chapelhillnoir.com/writ/hait/hatitl.html "David White" <no (AT) email (DOT) provided> wrote Quote: English Teacher <EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com> wrote in message news:b06436f6.0310202227.43d04db4 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. I'll get in before E. Robert Tisdale this time and point out that this is an obvious troll. Please ignore it. DW Back to top jeffc Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Troll alert: C or C++ first? "Tony Spadaro" <tspadaro (AT) ncmaps (DOT) rr.com> wrote Quote: No shirt Shitlock If you didn't answer this crap it would dissapear. Programmers are apparently both ignorant and arrogant. An interesting paradox. Should we now reply to this troll? (oops!) Back to top David White Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Troll alert: C or C++ first? Tony Spadaro <tspadaro (AT) ncmaps (DOT) rr.com> wrote Quote: No shirt Shitlock If you didn't answer this crap it would dissapear. Programmers are apparently both ignorant and arrogant. Someone is always going to answer this crap. It's virtually guaranteed that someone somewhere will see that no one has responded, not realize it's a troll, and answer it. The best you can hope for is a single response pointing out that it's a troll. DW Back to top Micah Cowan Guest Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? [email]Dan.Pop (AT) cern (DOT) ch[/email] (Dan Pop) writes: Quote: In <m34qy3ovhw.fsf (AT) localhost (DOT) localdomain> Micah Cowan <micah (AT) cowan (DOT) name> writes: [email]EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com[/email] (English Teacher) writes: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. Why the hell is this message cross-posted to newsgroups on woodworking and photography? Follow-ups fixed; please desist from posting to newsgroups which are not relevant to your question. If you wish to learn C, then learn it. If your sole desire is to learn C++ or C#, then you are much better off learning C++ or C# without going through C first. In particular, if you learn C hoping that it will give you a boost in your understanding of C++, you are probably mistaken: you will have to unlearn several things from C that have been changed in C++. Moreover, there are things which are considered proper and correct in C that are considered poor style in C++, and vice-versa; and both viewpoints are often correct given the context of the separate languages. Things are more complicated in the real world. What kind of C++ programming do you intend to do? If it's supposed to be limited to the high level of C++ (i.e. using classes already implemented by other people), then there is little point in wasting time learning C. If you have to use C++ at its lowest level (i.e. you have to implement your classes from scratch), few C++ tutorials provide enough coverage of the low level C++ features (many of which are basically the same as in C). This is where previous knowledge of C usually helps. My preference is to find a better tutorial. Stroustrup is quite excellent; though I found parts of it (notably the ones contrasting it with C) a tad ego-heavy... I agree that having previous knowledge of C helps speed up the learning process for C++ (it did for me); However, learning C for the sole purpose of moving on to C++ is a bad idea IMO, since you end up having to unlearn certain things; the net result is that you take at least a little more time overall than you would if you had just started in learning C++ (that is, if by C++ you mean "including the low-level, C-like stuff"). -Micah Back to top Leicaddict Guest Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: C or C++ first? [email]EnglishTeacher (AT) ModernEnglish (DOT) com[/email] (English Teacher) wrote in message news:<b06436f6.0310202227.43d04db4 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: Should I learn C first? Or can I go straight to C++ or C#? Thanks in advance. C is dead. C++ is dying. C# is the future. 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