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First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Francis Glassborow Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice In article <ckmump$br7$1 (AT) nntp2-cm (DOT) news.eni.net>, M Plus Plus! <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> writes Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Yes, lots of them but first I would go over the basics again by reading an authoritative introduction such as Accelerated C++ because the book you have just finished may have left you with some misconceptions. For other books have a look at www.accu.org -- Francis Glassborow ACCU Author of 'You Can Do It!' see http://www.spellen.org/youcandoit For project ideas and contributions: http://www.spellen.org/youcandoit/projects [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Abhishek Pandey Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice "C++ Primer" by Lipman. "The C++ Programing Language" by Stroustrup. "Effective C++" by Scott Mayers. "More Effective C++" by Scott Mayers. "Exceptional C++" by Herb Sutter. "More Exceptional C++" by Herb Sutter. if you like my choice, then I will recommened them in that order :-) when u finish these, I can tell you more. "M Plus Plus!" <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Phlip Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Within each category, I sort in order from entry-level to advanced. Note that some books (shamefully) reference languages other than C++. Learn the languages and read the books to become a better C++ programmer. These books introduce some topics they probably didn't teach you in school... Firstly, books directly about C++ coding and designing: * Accelerated C++: Practical Programming by Example by Andrew Koenig & Barbara E. Moo * Effective C++ 2nd Edition by Scott Meyers * More Effective C++ by Scott Meyers * The C++ Programming Language 3rd Edition by Bjarne Stroustrup * Large Scale C++ Software Design by John Lakos * Scientific and Engineering C++: An Introduction with Advanced Techniques and Examples by John J. Barton, Lee R. Nackman * C++ Coding Standards: Rules, Guidelines, and Best Practices by Herb Sutter & Andrei Alexandrescu * Modern C++ Design: Generic Programming and Design Patterns Applied by Andrei Alexandrescu * Exceptional C++ by Herb Sutter * More Exceptional C++ by Herb Sutter Next, books about design: * Design Patterns: elements of reusable object-oriented software by Gamma, Johnson, Helm, & Vlissides * Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler * Refactoring to Patterns by Joshua Kerievsky * Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns by Kent Beck * Domain Driven Design: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software by Eric Evans * The Art of Computer Programming by Knuth Books about the culture of programming around the source code: * Lean Software Development: An Agile Toolkit for Software Development Managers by Mary Poppendieck and Tom Poppendieck * Extreme Programming eXplained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition, by Kent Beck * Agile Development: Principles Practices and Patterns by Robert C. Martin * AntiPatterns: refactoring software, architectures, and projects in crisis by Brown, Malveau, McCormick & Mowbray * The Pragmatic Programmer: From Journeyman to Master by Andy Hunt & Dave Thomas * Rapid Development: Taming Wild Software Schedules by Steve McConnell How to preventing long open-ended debugging sessions: * Test-Driven Development: By Example by Beck * Code Complete 2nd Edition by Steve McConnell * Test Driven Development: A Practical Guide, by Dave Astels * How to Break Software: A Practical Guide to Testing by James A. Whittaker Specific programming scenarios: * C++ GUI Programming with Qt 3 by Jasmin Blanchette & Mark Summerfield * Developing International Software 2nd Edition by Dr. International * Working Effectively with Legacy Code by Mike Feathers /C++ GUI Programming with Qt 3/ is especially noteworthy because, unlike most other GUI Toolkits, C++ does not wrap Qt. Its inventors architected Qt directly in C++, using only the finest OO idioms. The TDD books are especially noteworthy because, as you start writing programs larger than a couple modules, you will discover that most programmers spend most of their time debugging. The solution to this connundrum is so simple it shouldn't need a book, but our industry has a lot of "antipatterns" to overcome. The solution is to write tests for every kind of behavior you need, to only add code when you can get a test to fail, and to use Undo if a test fails unexpectedly (and you don't feel like applying a light amount of debugging). Replacing our advanced interactive debuggers with an Undo button helps code's behavior never depart from a known state. Prevention is better than a cure. The Refactoring books are significant because, no matter how smart you are, you will always write code whose design could be improved after you read it. You could fight this effect, by planning on paper for a long time, or you can leverage it. Refactoring fits TDD like a glove. Smalltalk (and Python & Ruby) is a strongly typed dynamic language. C++ is an almost-strongly typed static language that introduces generics to cover some dynamic typing abilities. Curiously, the higher level your code, the more dynamic typing you need. Dynamic typing means that foo.bar() will compile and execute no matter what type 'foo' is, so long as it has a method 'bar()'. This works as if all objects inherited a common interface, Object, that magically declared every possible method. Curiously, the big software vendors keep pushing statically typed languages, Java & C#, while high-level code, such as GUI code or business-logic code, typically must bend over backwards to provide dynamic typing. Free and powerful languages, such as Ruby, supported entirely by their own programmer communities, are going to teach these big software vendors a thing or to. -- Phlip http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Victor Bazarov Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? www.accu.org, and visit their book review section. Then buy and read every book marked "Highly Recommended". V [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Thomas Mang Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice "M Plus Plus!" <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ckmump$br7$1 (AT) nntp2-cm (DOT) news.eni.net... Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Never have read it, so can't comment on its quality.... I can recomment you however 'Accelerated C++' and then 'C++ Primer, 3rd edition', and to learn the Standard Libary 'The C++ Standard Library: A Tutorial and Reference '. Thomas [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Malte Clasen Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Sure, the ACCU has a list of recommended books. You'll find it at http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/reviews/0sb/index.htm Malte [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Marlene Miller Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice "M Plus Plus!" <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote... Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Accelerated C++ by Andrew Koenig and Barbara Moo. This is the very best book for learning C++. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Stefan Heinzmann Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Ah, those book titles! What would you think of a book called "Teach yourself brain surgery in 21 days" or "The complete idiot's guide to building skyscrapers"? I didn't read the book, it might actually be ok, but the title sure is crap. One advice: C++ is a large and sophisticated language. Learning it well will take time (21 days are nowhere near enough) and more than one book (Ok, you seem to understand this already). A good book recommendation necessarily depends on your previous knowledge. Have you programmed in another language before or do you actually want to learn to program, too (as opposed to just learn C++)? If you are a beginner to programming you may want to have a look at "You can do it!" by Francis Glassborow and Roberta Allen Other noteworthy introductions to C++, increasingly "challenging", are: "Accelerated C++" by Andrew Koenig and Barbara Moo "C++ Primer" by Stan Lippman "The C++ Programming Language" by Bjarne Stroustrup Stroustrup's book is a must have, even if you don't understand it right away. I have rarely seen a book which was so densely packed with information and good advice. The density may be a problem otoh. There are a lot of good books which can take you further, depending on where your interests lie. Have a look at the book review section of ACCU's website (www.accu.org) for an impression of what's available. -- Cheers Stefan [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top JeffS Guest Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice "M Plus Plus!" <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Get "Accelerated C++" by Koenig and Moo, then get "The C++ Programming Language" by Bjarne Strousturp. These two books have greatly accelerated my understanding and productivity when using C++. They've also greatly increased my understanding of programming in general. These two books are masterworks. "Accelerated C++" is more for the newbie, who needs to get up to speed quickly, but have a strong understanding of how C++ works, including the concepts of OOP and Generic programming, and of course the terrific STL (which makes life for the C++ programmer so much easier). And Stroustrup's book is the bible of C++, the ultimate reference, and the ultimate learning tool for applying programming techniques and solving real world problems using C++. It doesn't hurt that Stroustrup is the creator of C++. Reading this book is like taking martial arts lessons from Bruce Lee. [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Francis Glassborow Guest Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice In article <OMQbd.4939$Ae.188 (AT) newsread1 (DOT) dllstx09.us.to.verio.net>, Victor Bazarov <v.Abazarov (AT) comAcast (DOT) net> writes Quote: M Plus Plus! wrote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? www.accu.org, and visit their book review section. Then buy and read every book marked "Highly Recommended". Not really. First check the publication dates, if they are pre-1998 check that the material is still relevant (some is, some isn't) then watch the categories because many of them are highly specialised. Next read the actual review (and that is worth doing for books that are only 'recommended') And finally remember that those reviews are written by fallible individuals and not by some all-knowing body of experts. I believe that ACCU reviewers have are much better than average but they are volunteers chosen because they were willing to do the job (we do not ask reviewers to pass some form of test for doing the job. :-) -- Francis Glassborow ACCU Author of 'You Can Do It!' see http://www.spellen.org/youcandoit For project ideas and contributions: http://www.spellen.org/youcandoit/projects [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top M Plus Plus! Guest Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice Thanks to you all.... i''ll try the most common books that u all mentioned... Accelerated C++ and C++ Primer thanks again.... the teach yourself book isn't a bad book what do u guys think of MFC Unleashed oh and i got C++ Unleashed in Pdf form..is that a good one.. i find it similar to TY21days "M Plus Plus!" <image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Phlip Guest Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: Thanks to you all.... i''ll try the most common books that u all mentioned... Accelerated C++ and C++ Primer thanks again.... the teach yourself book isn't a bad book what do u guys think of MFC Unleashed When people attempt to critique Microsoft Foundation Classes, they often point to some rather obvious and egregious design flaws. For example, many MFC classes leave public data members hanging out. The official excuse is that these are only arguments that pass into well-documented MS Windows API functions. Such problems, while setting a bad example, really only burden Microsoft. Every such public data member represents a lost opportunity to upgrade features behind a real encapsulating interface. The point of encapsulation is to permit upgrades without breaking client code. I'm not sure, but I suspect MS no longer requires all their projects to use MFC. The best alternative I have encountered so far is WTL. Its community support and MS "skunkworks" status raise curious questions about MS's vendor-lockin strategies. Quote: oh and i got C++ Unleashed in Pdf form..is that a good one.. i find it similar to TY21days Can you tell this newsgroup also experiences irration hearing terms like "Unleashed" and "21 days" and such? Stick to the Addison Wesley books. -- Phlip http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Roland Pibinger Guest Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice On 15 Oct 2004 18:44:17 -0400, Francis Glassborow <francis (AT) robinton (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote: Quote: In article <ckmump$br7$1 (AT) nntp2-cm (DOT) news.eni.net>, M Plus Plus! [email]image_reality (AT) hotmail (DOT) com[/email]> writes I've read the sams publishing Teach yourself c++ in 21 days.. can anyone recommend any more books to aid me in my quest of becomming a proficient C++ programmer? Yes, lots of them but first I would go over the basics again by reading an authoritative introduction such as Accelerated C++ because the book you have just finished may have left you with some misconceptions. "Accelerated C++" also contains problematic aspects. IMO, one should read material (books, articles, papers) from different sources and not be afraid of any 'misconceptions' therein. Best regards, Roland Pibinger [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. First time posters: Do this! ] Back to top Ben Hutchings Guest Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: C++ Novice M Plus Plus! wrote: Quote: Thanks to you all.... i''ll try the most common books that u all mentioned... Accelerated C++ and C++ Primer thanks again.... the teach yourself book isn't a bad book what do u guys think of MFC Unleashed I don't know this specific book. However, please be aware that MFC is not a good example of a modern C++ library of framework. Also, if you're talking about the book "MFC Programming With Visual C++ 6 Unleashed" then please note that Visual C++ 6 is an old compiler whose behaviour which diverges quite significantly from the C++ standard. If you're going to work through the other books you were recommended you will need a newer compiler (which needn't cost you anything; try MinGW or the Visual C++ Toolkit). I would avoid using either VC++ 6 or MFC as far as possible, though I am aware they are still quite commonly used to build bespoke applications for Windows. Quote: oh and i got C++ Unleashed in Pdf form..is that a good one.. i find it similar to TY21days snip The Amazon reviews suggest it covers too many topics in not enough detail. Francis Glassborow reviewed it for ACCU and found quite a few problems with the code: <http://www.accu.org/cgi-bin/accu/rvout.cgi?from=0ti_cp&file=cp001828a>. -- Ben Hutchings When in doubt, use brute force. - Ken Thompson [ See http://www.gotw.ca/resources/clcm.htm for info about ] [ comp.lang.c++.moderated. 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